The Audience Won't Like It

Ep 2 - Sock Shoes, Feet, and The Traveling Wilburys

• Rob and Leslie Shoecraft

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Two married hosts wait in a pretend line for a Traveling Wilburys show and end up deep in foot pain, sock shoes, fascia, and why ankles decide what knees feel. We close by tracing how the Wilburys formed, why the songs still work, and what makes Harrison’s slide sing.

• standing-in-line premise and playful tone
• hammertoes, flat arches, plantar fasciitis explained
• fascia chain from feet to calves, hamstrings, back
• dorsiflexion, squats, and protecting the knees
• towel scrunches, lacrosse ball, foam rolling drills
• minimalist shoes for lifting and grass running
• how to transition to barefoot-style safely
• social pushback and footwear experiments
• Traveling Wilburys origin story and lineup
• Jeff Lynne’s production, Harrison’s slide, favorite tracks
• YouTube-only cover due to licensing

Check out the YouTube channel to hear our cover of Handle with Care


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Oh. That's the clap we want.

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There we go.

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Alright. Hey, welcome to another episode of the Audience Won't Like It. That's what it is now, right?

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That is correct.

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I put an acronym on the title of the last video and everything. This is a a podcast where a married team of sorts. Me, Rob Shoecraft, and uh Leslie Shoecraft here.

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So I'm the wife.

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She's the wife. And um I guess that makes me uh the Lord.

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Sure.

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Okay. So, anyways, this is a podcast where we never really exactly dis uh decided on what it is, but here's what it is. We decided it is two people standing in line for a concert. In this case, the traveling Wilburries. Supergroup cross. Massive resurrection happened to. Oh gosh. We talk a lot about dead bodies on this. Dead greats, too. I feel like we owe Kitty Wells' family probably a little bit of an apology for last week. We liked it. She died in 2012, which I thought maybe it was maybe a little too soon.

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Whoa. Wow, how old was she?

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Uh I think she was born in the 30s, maybe. Oh.

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So 70s?

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's right. I don't know. I don't trust my bad. I thought she was like at least.

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I know I feel bad. It might have been kind of a tragic thing. Shoot.

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Yeah, we can only move forward.

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We didn't really say anything bad. It was just we just talked a lot about dead bodies and ghosts. And we just kind of sp just tagged her on all those conversations.

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She liked it.

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She's great though. You know, we never really got to talk it talk about her because she uh because our camera died and don't know what we're doing.

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Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, full circle.

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So we got Roy Orbison, Tom Petty, and George Harrison. He those are those are the three dead ones.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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Dead um and rest in peace. So uh as far as remaining members?

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Yeah. Wait, was it Bob Dylan? Uh-huh. Okay, and don't tell me the last one. The it's from Jeff Lynn? Yeah. Chat GPT and me.

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Yeah, so it's yeah, well, we'll talk about the band in a in a in a bit. But so the the the format of this podcast, and this is incredibly loose. There's no role playing involved here as of yet.

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So far. It's been time.

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Uh oh what of like actually pertaining to stand in line?

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Oh, oh, roleplay.

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What did you think I was talking about?

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I thought like had a reference back to some other conversation.

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Which one? Was it on on the mic?

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No. It was off the record.

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Oh, okay. Cool. Oh. Yeah. Alright, so uh huh. You talking about Baldur's Gate 3?

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Uh, yep.

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Sweet. Sure. It's uh, okay, so two uh two people are standing in line for a concert. In this case, the traveling will berries. Um they've uh exhumed three bodies.

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Why can't we just travel back in time to when they were alive? If we can exhum bodies and reanimate them, let's just put it on the bottom.

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I didn't say anything about reanimating, it was like a symbol, kind of like a tribute band. Honorable. Yeah, tribute band where you'd literally have like kind of like Saints' Bones, kind of.

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I don't know what that is.

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You know, like a lot of like really Orthodox churches, yeah.

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I thought Saints Bones was like a video game.

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Probably blasphemous on some level, but uh not too worried about Saints.

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No, we don't worship bands.

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Right, right. That's right. Um anyways, we're standing in line for a concert. There may be dead bodies on the stage.

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We don't know yet because we're we haven't gotten in yet.

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Kitty Wells might have she might be opening.

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Oh my gosh, that would be that's that's kind of an ultimate That'd be a cool show.

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I think I feel like Roy Roberson, she and Roy Urberson could probably do a heck of a little doing it. We're contemporary.

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Well yeah, he was uh When did Pretty World's first song?

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No.

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Um sorry everybody rap.

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What was his first song? Anyways, we're talking we're talking early 60s was his prime.

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Okay.

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So late 50s. It could have been started in late 50s, like he he hung out with Elvis and stuff, and uh when was her prime? Early 60s?

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She was like a 50s into the early 60s, I think.

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Okay, okay. I'm sure everyone No one, no one's A, no one's listening. B A, no one's listening. This'll be like when we, you know, on our 700 episod 70th? 100th episode. Thank you. Wow. When uh when we have when we've you know amassed 600 hardcore studies.

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Do you know how many years it'll take us to get 700 episodes? If we do one a week.

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No. Go for it.

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Well, in two years we'll have done 100.

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Well, I'm proud of us.

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14 years.

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So if we can go back in time to see this show. 88. Nice. You did a little homework?

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I did.

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Oh my gosh.

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You were so impressed with my recall from the last episode that I didn't want to disappoint you this week.

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You did not disappoint me. Waiting in line. This is concert. Not a dead body inside. Feeling kind of strange, because normally where I hang out, there's at least three.

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And they're usually famous.

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They're usually famous. Anyways, um, hanging out. I'm sitting next to this beautiful leopard-skinned woman. I think she's role-playing, maybe as a Khajit from uh Skyrim. Oh wow. I was just gonna get furry. We have some work to do. Okay. Awesome. That's I'm fine with that. So I want to talk about my feet with this stranger. This stranger.

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Wife? Am I your wife in line or are we strangers?

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You're my wife.

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Okay.

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But do you ever want to hear me talk about feet?

SPEAKER_02:

You know, it's been we've had a lot of feet conversations in our marriage and what has led us actually to this moment. And after today, I feel like maybe we don't ever need to talk about your feet again.

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I was uh I feel like for the for the listener at home, uh, they might be interested to hear about that offer I was made. It's kind of like kind of a milestone of my life. Uh a gentleman offered me a hundred dollars for my socks on uh for I have another I have a YouTube channel, it's now pretty defunct, called Three Storm Fitness. Someday. Oh yeah.

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Yeah, it's just on hold.

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Yeah, it's on hold.

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Put a pin in it.

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Yeah, I'll get back into it. Anyways, offer me a hundred dollars. I do like a lot of did a lot of like foot fitness because I struggle with my feet. We're gonna get into it.

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Very clearly.

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Foot fitness fitness. I do a lot of uh foot fitness.

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Because it sounded maybe like you were gonna say some other type of foot F.

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Oh, right. Right. Foot F. Foot fitness. Foot fitness. And that attracted uh got a few foot fans.

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And you know, not my thing, but uh what appreciated that offering.

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I appreciate the views, and and they were all they're all really nice. Like probably gross a little bit, but yeah, but pretty nice, you know.

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Considering the audience on the internet, yeah.

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I don't care.

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I think all of your followers are like you have an exceptionally nice slice of the internet on your followers. So thank you.

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Yeah, thank you. And and I didn't I did not take the hundred dollars. I felt like that would be open up a uh a little bit of a gateway.

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Would you have spent that hundred dollars on if you did take it? Uh like groceries.

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Yeah, I mean, you know that's where it's gonna be. No, it's special. Like I earned this hundred dollars and I'm gonna buy like a I could buy like four pairs of uh darn tough, like the those wool ones you got me. Those are sweet. Yeah. Yeah.

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So so we're in line, so that's the premise. We I don't think we ever actually finished explaining in the first episode either. And while you're in line talking to you know a stranger or whatever, you're just killing time, and obviously you don't have an internet signal because you're talking to each other, not looking at your phones.

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Oh, right. Also, that's what that's another reason why. Oh, oh, because of the 80s.

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Because it's in the 80s.

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Not because we respect each other. Okay. Uh-huh. No.

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So, and then just like the random things that you may talk about in such a line.

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And you're stuck with this person. So whether you want to talk about sock shoes or not, it's happening.

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Yeah. And and just to to, you know, uh, what's that called? Tattoot our own horns. We have another episode so far, and it was about a Star Trek episode. So if you if you wanted to get stuck in line with us and talk about Star Trek, you should go back and listen to that one.

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And well, you know, we would have been talking about Kitty Wells a bit more too, had the camera not cut out.

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Yeah, we're hoping to avoid that this time.

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We gotta go a pretty quick uh we gotta go in under an hour to today. I can't see the timer, so you can. I can. We got uh ten minutes.

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Oh, okay.

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Ten minutes in. Well, I have smart watching. We've covered a lot of ground.

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Now that I know. Okay, alright. So let's let's talk feet.

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Oh yeah, and then we do a cover at the end. Oh right, we're gonna. We're gonna do Handle with Care by the Traveling Wheelbury. By the Traveling Wheelbury's. And we talked about kind of why we want to do that. Honestly, I just want to learn songs and play with you, and I know my mom likes it. So I want to I want to eventually have 700 songs for my mom.

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Oh 15 years. 14 years, I mean.

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Yep.

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Probably more like 15 with with holidays and kid activities interrupting our weekly recording schedule.

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Well then we got Patreon episodes and whatnot.

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Wow, you know, sorry that I keep hitting all this stuff.

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Submarine sound effects. Um anyways, so one one thing I wanted to also mention, and eventually I'm gonna be able to say all this in two seconds. That won't happen. Yeah, that'll never happen. That'll never happen. But we can't do the covers on Spotify or what do you listen to?

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I use Apple.

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Apple. It's a whole copyright thing. So we gotta put it on YouTube and we have to run ads on it, and that's just the way it is, and you know, whatever. I'll try to make them skippable.

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So yeah, so if you do, if you're listening to this and you do want to hear our cover, you'll have to head over to the YouTuber.

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

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Do you think YouTubers like a type of potato? Like an internet potato.

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Like uh, like it's but it's made like off of sheep kind of.

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No, no, no. No, I just had a whole moment. If I could draw, I have a lot of things that I wish I could draw because I have pictures in my mind. You know, people just sit and watch YouTube over just endlessly? Like a couch potato.

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No, I wasn't familiar with that past time. Not like how I I've never seen that in my house with three people on one.

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Hey, hey. You're not immune. Um anyway, you know, like a couch potato.

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Oh but if you're watching YouTube, you're really you're a YouTuber.

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Can we if we ever have merch, we can have a YouTuber.

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Wait, if we ever have merch?

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Merch.

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Oh, merch.

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Merch.

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Man, this is really kind of becoming a business doing a thing. You want to quit our jobs tomorrow?

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Oh my gosh, I I do. Don't tell Ashley. Ashley's my business partner.

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Don't tell my superintendent. He's my boss.

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Bob still goes to school.

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Yeah, he'd be he'd be cool that he loves guitars.

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That's true.

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Yeah. Alright, so hey, hey, check out my uh feet.

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Alright, so they're pretty gross.

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Hammertoe.

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Just so just just so that the people listening can have a visual reference for the rest of this episode. I would just like to describe your feet.

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Go on. Can you do it kind of in a sultry voice? No, I don't want to try. Like a man's sultry voice. That makes me feel a little bit more at home with the whole YouTube. I get more comfortable that way.

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Gosh, you should totally go on 30 Storm Fitness YouTube channel and pump this.

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And be like, hey.

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Yeah, guys, foot episode for free. You didn't have to pay for it.

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That's a good idea.

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Okay. So Rob's feet are huge. He wears a 14. Sometimes he could wear a 15.

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And sometimes I could wear a 13.

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Yeah.

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His feet are, how'd the doctor describe it?

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Bag of bones.

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Yeah, just an empty big flapping bag of bones at the end of his book.

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I don't think he said flapping.

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Well, that's sometimes how I think about it.

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That'd be a serious condition. I think he'd have to like help me down the stairs.

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Well, we have a first floor uh bedroom, so no stairs.

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No, the doctor, when I saw him. He's like, sir, I can't let you back in the parking lot with all that flippy flop, floppy-flops.

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So anyway, they're not terrible looking, but the toes.

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They're not terrible looking? The toes are the nicest thing you ever said.

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The toes are the worst, though. The toes really just set it set them apart. It looks as though someone had taken a hammer and beat each one of Rob's toes into broken stubs, and then they were not allowed to set the toes back into the regular straight lineup, and so they healed in all this every possible direction radiating out from the toes.

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That's what it looks like, by the way, not what actually happened to me. I'm not like that way.

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They just grew that way.

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So And there's a name for that, it's pretty appropriate for that look.

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Hammer toe.

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It's style I have, yeah.

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Do you have hammer toes?

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I think it's hammer toe. It's always, for as long as I can remember, my toes have been like this.

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This is gonna be quite the episode. I didn't realize how gross I hated how much I hated feet. Our daughter hates feet.

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More than you, I think.

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Yeah, oh yeah. She doesn't even like to wear her own feet out.

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I if I like if I'm if I'm picking her up from well, well, she's driving now, so these days are gone.

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Three months ago.

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But when I was uh when I used to pick her up, I'd kind of be hanging out in the parking lot and have my I always drive barefoot. I've left the house without my shoes so many times that I started keeping.

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You know a lot of times they're in my car. When I get in to drive my car, there's a pair of your shoes under the pedals. I love that.

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No, under the not under the pedals.

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Well, essentially.

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At least there's not a gun in the center console anymore.

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Anymore.

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Anyways, so my feet would be hanging out the window like I'm like the pirate from the Pirates of the Caribbean Bridge. Yeah. And she just like won't even get in the car. Like she'll just like, I think one time she just turned around and started walking back. I'm like, where are you going? She's like, put your feet back in the car, and then I'll turn, you know. Anyways. She's a sweet girl. She is, actually.

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His feet are awful.

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Better than me. So, my feet are awful. I got a lot of problems with my feet. Actually, I don't have nearly as many as I have had. My feet were worse when I was like in my teens.

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Maybe less on the physical description of your feet, but I guess I'm the one that said it.

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Well, it's it's it's really interesting. The audience might not might not like it, but.

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And your feet are flat. I didn't say that.

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Well, a bag of bones.

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Well, you know, just to make sure everybody have you ever seen those old, old cartoons?

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I'm kind of rich by uh by another song. Standards. Well, I don't have any worms, but oh yeah. Bones.

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Bones of your money.

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Where's have you seen that shirt?

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No.

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I was looking for it the other day.

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It's gotta be in there somewhere. I gotta bones of their money. It's got all the lyrics of the Night the Skeletons came to life.

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I forgot about that.

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We could work that into the uh Wilberries and Kitty Wells. We can make a big, you know what'd be cool merch?

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What?

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Every dead musician that we talk about on this, we have a big like. You remember those like posters? I had that poster of all those rock and roll greats that was like in a big auditorium, like Carnegie Hall looking place.

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Um in our closet.

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We put that in our closet. Oh my gosh. Yeah.

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Stay tuned, guys.

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Okay, anyway. Okay, I'm sure that'll be easy to copyright. Yeah, we'll figure it out.

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We'll just have your mom draw the likenesses of all of those pictures for us.

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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. So, uh my feet, they suck, they cause me a lot of pain. I have always had plantar fasciitis and bad ankles.

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Why don't you tell us what that is?

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What?

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Plantar fasciitis.

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I'm probably not gonna give a a medically accurate description, but I could tell you what it feels like and what helps and what I think at least part of the problem is.

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Okay.

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So you just have extreme pain, I think sometimes even like swelling if it gets crazy, inflammation, and the bottom of your feet, like your arches. Your plant.

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Like the plant part of your foot. The plant. The part you plant. The part you plant. Yeah.

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Your planter. The part with a little monocle top. Does he have a top hat? Is that a peanut? Yeah. Is that one of those uh I think he doesn't have a monocle.

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Oh, we're thinking about it.

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Okay, okay, okay, okay. Mr. Peanut has a monocle, though.

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He needs one.

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Let me check the bottom of my foot real quick.

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Your foot kind of looks like a peanut.

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It does? Yeah, it has that shape. I wouldn't eat this one.

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No, heck no.

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It has veins in it.

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Wow.

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Okay. So, yeah, it you know, it hurts. It feels like it's worse for me, it feels like somebody's stabbing the bottom of my foot every time you every time I walk.

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Can't relate. No, I think I've ever heard that happen.

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Which makes my feet, you know, you're compensating when you walk. So you gotta roll or roll inside or roll out, or you kind of adjust your gait, so now your you know your ankles are doing things they shouldn't be doing just to kind of um compensate.

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Avoid that pain or putting your foot in that position.

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Then everything travels upstream, so now your knees start causing problems. Your ankles are not really moving in the way they're supposed to move, so you start to cut back on mobility there, so you you know you can't dorse flex your ankle, right? You can't like pull your toes toward you.

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Like a dorsey?

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Well, you can. Sorry, you you of course you can, but what I mean, yeah, like a dorsey.

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If I'm gonna insert jokes, you better.

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I'm sorry, I'm I'm sitting here, I'm trying to think, I'm trying to give a good description, but like, so you know, if your ankles are jacked up like a dorsey, um, you gotta put them down. You gotta put if you get a dorsey with a with a bad ankle.

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I don't know.

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I know. Do you do little things that are? He'll be up on the stage too. We'll position like whatever sit on top of him, and we'll well we'll probably have to stuff them both a little bit. The Dorsey. He's gonna be on a he's kind of you know, country western.

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Yeah.

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I feel like we can't really put Harrison up there.

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Mm-mm. Oh, he's from across the pond.

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Mm-hmm.

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The only red horse is to duel.

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Right. So maybe that's another if we make it big and play like Wimbledon or something. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Wimbledon?

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Yeah.

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Is that what I'm thinking?

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I Wembley. Wimbledon is a tennis.

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Well, I'm sure they have concerts there, right? What's the what's the big that big queen concert? I think we've probably been playing our colours. Wembley, okay.

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Okay, but I think Wimbledon is the name of a tournament, not. It is.

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Yeah, so I don't think we're ever gonna get it. You think I bet we're gonna get it too. I bet eventually we'll end up playing both of them.

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You're probably right. I'm sorry.

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So we gotta we gotta come up with fresh ideas for how to dress these guys up.

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Alright. So anyway, dorsal flexion.

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It's a dorsi flexion.

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Right, sorry. Is it not dorsal flexion?

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Have you not been paying attention to anything else?

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Is it not dorsal flexion?

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Dorsi.

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Oh.

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D-O-R-S-I.

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It's it's not like dorsal, like you pull it up to look like a dorsal fin.

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Mm-mm.

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I'm doing it for the.

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You can, I'm sure if you have a a dorsal fin, you could flex it in some way shape or form. It's a different thing.

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Okay.

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Anyways, you know, when you go down for like a squat, whether you're actually like lifting weights or you just want to get down to that position for maybe you're camping.

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Mm-hmm.

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Um, maybe you have pants on, maybe you don't.

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Maybe you don't. Um But you should wear your pants at the gym.

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Yeah.

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Especially for squatting.

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Mm-hmm.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I always do. Not shoes, though. We'll get into that. So when you get down to that position, if you don't have proper the ability to dorsiflex, your heels can't stay on the ground when you get down.

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Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Well a lot of times what happens though is people will they'll put weight on their back, even though they can't without weight get down to that position.

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Does it just push your balance all crazy?

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Well, yeah, it does. It's very, it's very uncomfortable. Uh it's very awkward. But what ends up happening a lot, especially when people just drop down fast without like a controlled eccentric like negative movement, um, all that force has to go somewhere. So it's gonna hit the knees.

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Oh.

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More than likely.

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Sounds painful.

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So yeah, if you don't have good ankles, so basically it all starts at the feet. And then and then, of course, we we we uh we don't have time to get into the hips and the lower back and everything up chain upstream, but that's how it all works. If your feet aren't right, everything else gets jacked up. And I could talk about this forever. We'll probably have like 15 foot episodes.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I thought that we were just gonna be one and done. We said that.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. At the beginning of this episode.

SPEAKER_02:

At the beginning of this episode, I said I think after we talk about this for an hour, I never need to talk about your feet again.

SPEAKER_01:

Hmm. Well then we'll talk about ankles.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

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Okay. So you get so this we're talking about feet. I was originally gonna talk about sock shoes.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, well that's gonna be feet. That's where we're going.

SPEAKER_01:

And also overshoes.

SPEAKER_02:

Overshoes. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. I'll say here, here. I'm holding overshoes for the listeners. Uh you can see them on YouTube. They're big rubber things. What I was thinking I could do is take my skinners or jumping right out of order. No, you're right.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, put those overshoes back on the floor.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So when you're squatting, better.

SPEAKER_02:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

Your knees, you know, they take the brunt. Basically, if you got knee pain, knee pain, it's it's usually ankles, an ankle issue, or you know, unless it's like like acute trauma or something to your knee, or or there's damage that already exists. It's usually hips or ankles. However, it all starts in the feet. You have fascia, back to the original question, you have fascia basically all over every piece every muscle in your body, including the ones that in your feet. And it gets really tight, and uh, you know, when you say you like you have a knot or something, it's you it's usually like an adhesion in your fascia. So if you can loosen that up, if it's really tight, now it's it's connected to your heel cords and it runs up your calves, up your hamstrings, but lower back up thoracic spine, all the way up to your eyebrows. It comes wrapping around your skull. So, you know, if you can loosen up your feet, you could potentially um get your eyebrows of the fascia. Exactly. Right.

SPEAKER_02:

We've done some things where you've had me roll out my feet and then try to touch my toes, well, have me touch my toes, then roll out my feet with all the crossball. You get like an extra inch or two, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

And totally touch your toes better.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. I like to do a lot of stuff most mornings with like I'll take a towel, as long as Gruber's not like trying to fight me with it.

SPEAKER_02:

Who's Gruber?

SPEAKER_01:

He's our dog. Oh, oh. Hans Gruber. Hans Gruber. Yes. Uh we've had Hans Gruber, David Lopan, and Cobra Commander have been our last three dogs. Oh. And one-eyed Wilhelmina.

SPEAKER_02:

One-eyed Wilhelmina, but she was like three days. She stood her for a week, yeah. Like Monday to Friday.

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And then she died. She'll be on stage too.

SPEAKER_02:

She had a hip problem. Maybe if she lived long enough to listen to this episode, we could help her. She hated sock shoes.

SPEAKER_01:

She ate sock shoes. That was what it was. That vet, she was just all about murder. Murder.

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Yeah.

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Terrible.

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She knew.

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Terrible. She was laughing. No, you took her in. I appreciate it. I think it was at Home Cry. We'd had her for three whole days.

SPEAKER_02:

No. She was so sweet.

SPEAKER_01:

This is before we had kids when I roll and love our animals more.

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Yeah, that's true. Sorry. I like Gruber a lot.

SPEAKER_01:

No, he's great.

SPEAKER_02:

Who pain really got the short end of the steak? He did.

SPEAKER_01:

Poor guy. Cobra was.

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Don't ever get a puppy when you have a baby because the baby will win.

SPEAKER_01:

And the existing dog will not raise it very well.

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As much as you thought it would. That was my dad. My dad said the existing dog will raise the new dog.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, he probably would have been a lot worse had we not had Cobra. True. He probably would have been dead because that rabid raccoon came up. Or possum.

SPEAKER_02:

Awww. That was on the porch.

SPEAKER_01:

Never seen Cobra killing him before, but he stepped up.

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He did.

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You never know who's gonna step up, guys.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Anyways.

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It might be you.

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Me?

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Anyone. I mean the listener. I've killed a possum before. No, no, but you could be the one who stepped up.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah, you should step up. You see trouble, especially in the possum variety.

SPEAKER_02:

That's right. Especially if it's foaming at the mouth.

SPEAKER_01:

Remember when I shot that possum between the eyes? Well and it kept walking towards us.

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That's what it did like like zombie style. Like it fell over. And then it sat back up and it had a pinpoint bloody. But man, people who don't like guns or shooting might not like to hear about that. The audience will like it.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, hey, say you have to.

SPEAKER_02:

Anyway, it was sat back up and just started walking towards us again, even though we just shot it between the eyes. Into the brain. Pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01:

It was I mean I felt terrible. But like in hindsight, the possums are some pretty resilient creatures.

SPEAKER_02:

They are, apparently.

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Yeah. Anyways.

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Towel.

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Towel, I'll take a towel. When I'm not when my dog's outside.

SPEAKER_02:

The dog likes the towel because he doesn't have any other toys.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

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Because he likes to hit the towel away from us and us to chase him around to get it.

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So I like to take the towel. I like to strengthen like my like my big toe tendons and the muscles around there. Basically, anytime you flex your toes or any body part for that matter, but especially with your feet, and it starts to cramp, most of the time that that means you're just really weak in that spot. So anytime I curled my toes under any sort of tension, it would cramp like crazy. So I started doing these towel grabs. I put a towel down, I just pull it across something. You could put weight on it, like a little bit of weight, pull it if you want, whatever. But you know, I just do like 50 of those every other morning, and it makes it makes a huge difference. Plus, when you do the foam the like, you know, foam rolling the heel cords and the crossball on the bottom of the feet, ankle circles, just anything you do to just strengthen that part of your body, all ships rise. You know, it's everything feels better.

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I'm trying to think back upon our time together, our 23 years together. And I'm trying to pinpoint when it was that you kind of realized that shoes don't fit you. It feels like it's only been since we moved into this house. I don't remember it being a thing in our old house.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you remember how first of all, I think I'm just kind of a baby. Second, your feet grow as you get older. They flatten out. Yeah, just and and having bags of bones as a foundation.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, dude, mine are the same size they've been since I was an eighth grade.

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Well, you're amazing.

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Tell your friends.

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You're dainty.

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Tell your friends.

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Um not dainty at all.

SPEAKER_02:

She was uh tent. There's nothing dainty about it.

SPEAKER_01:

You're statuesque. I wouldn't be talking to you at this concert.

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That's true.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, if you were a troll.

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That's right.

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I'm shallow like that.

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And it's the 80s.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. Actually, if you were a troll, that'd be sweet. That'd be cool.

SPEAKER_02:

Are you a troll?

SPEAKER_01:

Ma'am, I'm sorry to ask you this. But I'm sure you get this all the time, given the way you look. But are you a troll? Did I see you in trolls too? Or was that Ghoulies 3? Are they goo- are goo- have you seen Ghoulies?

SPEAKER_02:

Only the poster you used to have.

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't have a poster.

SPEAKER_02:

You didn't have a Ghoulies poster? No. Dennis.

SPEAKER_01:

I wish I did. Somebody might have.

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Somebody in the position.

SPEAKER_01:

Everybody, if you don't know what Ghoulies is, you've s and and you're over 35 years old, you've seen at least. They're in a toilet, like the poster.

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Okay, Dennis or Paul. One of those two people had a poster in their lofted bedroom in college. Okay. I feel like that's where I saw it. Hmm. Well, we could follow up. Oh yeah. We'll let you know in the next episode.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Sit tight. Like and subscribe. Um do you subscribe and Yeah, you subscribe. Heck yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so what was I saying? Oh, so so anyways, I've gotten really particular about my feet. Oh right, yeah. Because one of the reasons is I didn't used to do anything.

SPEAKER_03:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

Like I didn't really move a lot. Like I was pushing 300. It wasn't because I wasn't I mean I I would have gotten into lifting a long time ago, but I never ran because my feet hurt. I never did anything. But then once I started doing stuff and started training people, and I was always on my feet all day long. There was way more demand. Plus, I was getting into squats and deadlifts and all these things were really like trying me and trying to increase my vertical, just doing all this stuff, running sprints all the time. So I really, really had to take care of myself. And I was noticing that when I would walk around all day long in the wrong pair of shoes, my hips would be trashed. I do remember that now. You know? Do you remember that? My hips, my knees, my ankles, all that crap. Anyways, so I started just going barefoot as much as I possibly could. And or wearing sand like 10.

SPEAKER_02:

And then once you decided on the barefoot path, the rest of your life has been centered around trying to replicate that experience.

SPEAKER_01:

As barefoot as I can get with shoes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. I'm I now wear shoes. I've I've I've I have to stay on it. I mean, I pretty much work on my feet and ankles at least every other day. And I do all sorts of stuff, stretches and all sorts of stuff. So I can wear shoes and I almost have to like retrain myself. So a little bit of a uh little advice. If you stop wearing shoes for a couple years and you but you intend to wear them again, you're gonna it's gonna take a little bit of work to get used to it again, because your foot's gonna feel like it slides around everywhere. I can never feel I always felt like I was on ice skates. I have never felt that we just don't have them.

SPEAKER_02:

I just have regular feet, I guess.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you're a regular person.

SPEAKER_02:

So my dad has flat feet, and my sister does as well. And I they looked at my feet as well, but they said I didn't need arch supports, and as long as I wore supportive tennis shoes when I was doing any athletic endeavors, that I would be okay. And I have never had an issue. I don't have a very high arch, but I don't have flat feet.

SPEAKER_01:

I think your feet are like probably perfect. That's not a you know come on.

SPEAKER_02:

They're fine, yeah. They're not a problem for me. I have problems other in other places, but my feet are not an issue for me.

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With a guitar.

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Yeah.

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Shoulders. So, hang on a second.

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So so you landed on So what I uh So what I landed on. Well, those aren't even the OGs.

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They're not. Skinners. I originally got Skinners, and they're these sock shoes. And they kind of look like aqua socks. Yeah, I get holes in them constantly. And then I buy new ones.

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Like watching.

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I don't buy I don't buy Skinners because Skinners, even though they were my first love, uh they're just too expensive. And honestly, these are half the price and they're better. These are wooden.

SPEAKER_02:

That's that's uh it's like an Amazon brand or something.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I'm sorry, Skinners. I would love to I would love to keep buying from you. Uh you you got a better name. And uh and but you're just too expensive. It's like a Kickstarter or something. I think they make their margins. I hope I hope they do well. I think they're still in the game. Anyways, the cool thing is you it does have a lot of practical applications for just beyond barefoot running or whatever, or just walking around, you know, working out. They're awesome for lifting because when you're lifting weights, especially heavy weights, you need to be connected with the floor. You don't want to have too much padding. Yeah, just think of- I always say like think about trying to do squats on the trampoline. Yeah. Like if you don't have anything solid to push off of, you're gonna remove it. Yeah, and yeah, it's just gonna you're not gonna be as you're not gonna be able to create as much force, so it won't be as effective, but you also probably hurt yourself eventually. So these are great for that. Um, they're machine washable. They're not waterproof, everybody wants to know. They're really not. Um, but whatever. I like to wear them with socks, you can wear them without it.

SPEAKER_02:

So they're kind of like a watershoe. But instead of having a harder plastic bottom like a watershoe, it's like what do you call that stuff? Flexel?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's like flex seal, like rhino liner.

SPEAKER_02:

So you'd like tread on the bottom.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So when I first got these, I had some old like uh leather sketchers and I cut the bottoms off and I wanted to put the sketchers on like sitting on top of them. It didn't work. It looked really bad. I told Caroline I was gonna take her to school.

SPEAKER_02:

Like spats. Like horribly, horribly murdered spats.

SPEAKER_01:

Spats. So when I think spats, I think like spandex pants.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh no. I I thought spats were uh like uh a Victorian, like the it's like a thing that covers the top half of your shoe.

SPEAKER_01:

Mmm. Should I look it up while you're talking? Right below the Greaves. Trying to be something on here, not Leslie lost the trivial pursuit the other night. Greaves is one of the questions. I've told her she didn't play enough RVGs. Not enough role-playing, if you will. Topical. Okay.

unknown:

Yeah.

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Cool.

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See?

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I swear in like like Brazilian jiu-jitsu, where we're rash cards and stuff, we've we put if spats, you have pants, anyways.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'm gonna look that up too.

SPEAKER_01:

So skinners are c or or sock shoes, whatever. These are again widdens. You could roll them up and put them in your backpack or something if you're going on a hike. Like I took these last time we went camping. I had them in the tent. I didn't want to put my boots back on and you know, get whatever. So, yeah, there you go. Yep, spats are both.

SPEAKER_02:

Spats can also be pants, but they were originally spatter guards, which is why they're called spats.

SPEAKER_01:

Hmm. I like that. So, you know, you they're they're portable, they're they're lightweight. Um, I know a guy who is a drummer who likes them for that. I guess I'm not a drummer, but I could see that being, you know, just really light and maybe easy to look at your ankles.

SPEAKER_02:

Like a drum set?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah. It's uh jeans. Jeans. Yeah, it's jeans. Nice. Um and what else, uh, what else do you use them for? What have you seen me do with them? Oh, I'll tell you what I love doing with them. It is running in grass. So if I'm doing like tempo runs or something outside in the front yard, I love putting these on. That way it's like they're just thin enough where you get perfect ground contact. But it protects you from like and the ground is nice because it absorbs everything. Because walking around in concrete with these things is it's it it it kills you in a different way. But uh, you know, you still don't want to step on bees and whatever. So this is just enough protection for that. And you can I could walk in rocks and stuff with them, like a rock parking lot. You know, you see people on the website like running marathons of the Amazon with them. I don't know about all that crap, but but I I uh yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02:

Does it protect you from venomous animals?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it does. Well, that's a the the skinners do, that's why they're so much more expensive. Yeah, that's what I thought. Um, and then I have and then trouble for hitting all the equipment.

SPEAKER_02:

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

Then I have these sandals.

SPEAKER_02:

No, I like the way these look on your feet better than your Tevis. Do you? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

These are Zeros, X-E-R-Os. I do like these a lot. You kind of run into the same problem with uh lack of absorption. Um if you're really, you know, if you're on concrete all the time. If you're out on like the beach or something, it's perfect. But yeah, they can be a little hard. And then those overshoes, those big rubber things.

SPEAKER_02:

You want to pull those back out for the YouTube audience?

SPEAKER_01:

That was that was another attempt. These so I thought maybe I thought maybe I could get by where these are I want to know why anyone is buying these. Well, if you got really nice shoes, like I got those Alan Edmonds.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

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And let's say I had to wear them in Columbus or something, it was pouring. I could put these on. Yeah.

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Like those. Well, maybe Cleveland. I swear that my grandpa Linder, my dad's dad, had he was a gardener, and I swear he had shoes like that that he would just put on to go into the garden. That's what I think those are for.

SPEAKER_01:

I never met him, but I heard he was an amazing dresser.

SPEAKER_02:

But I don't know why.

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Amazing fashion.

SPEAKER_02:

He was great. But I don't know why they that those particular overshoes have to look like Oxfords. Like nobody believes that those are well they make different models.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, no, they're not meant no one's supposed to in hindsight. I took a gamble. I thought maybe I could uh make it work, excuse me.

SPEAKER_02:

They they make you look like a uh a clown, like a bum clown.

SPEAKER_01:

You call it you said that I look like a yeah. You yeah.

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I've said many mean things that I would like to not have recorded in posterity.

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Yeah, so somebody who's really good with kids.

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Or not so.

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Yeah, not so.

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Anyway, but you know, like a bum clown. That's a nicer, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

Bum clown, yeah, thank you. That's much nicer. I do appreciate that.

SPEAKER_02:

It is much nicer. It's actually, yeah, I'd rather if I write Although I feel like a bum clown could overlap with that other type of person.

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I think I'd be do much better in prison if I went there for being like a disorderly bum clown than if I was the other thing you called me. Yeah. So thank you. Thank you for might have saved my life.

SPEAKER_02:

Um please don't go to prison.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. We could do an episode about how to avoid prison.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I know a lot about that.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, you've never been in it.

SPEAKER_01:

No, that's true. Neither have I. I know a couple dudes. A couple, a couple guys, unfortunately, are there, but um, anyways.

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Bring it down.

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Yeah, sorry. You know. What uh anything else we should talk about with my feet or socks? We I could I could go into all sorts of stuff, but we got 40 minutes in. Should we talk about travel one?

SPEAKER_02:

We talked about this for 40 minutes.

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I don't know exactly what this is.

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Talk about talk for 40 minutes. Well, what would your what would your be like closing thoughts be? Like if somebody out there is like, man, I have bad feet, maybe I should try sock shoes.

SPEAKER_01:

So, sock shoes, honestly, if you have bad feet, first of all, that means a million different things.

SPEAKER_02:

You should give up.

SPEAKER_01:

A lot of it, sometimes it might just mean you need to lose weight. Um, which that does help. Like when I was down to, you know, like 235, 240, my feet were.

SPEAKER_02:

You were never 235.

SPEAKER_01:

That was.

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In our lifetime together?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. Remember when I had to qualify for insurance?

SPEAKER_02:

You were 235?

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That's 232.

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That is little for you.

SPEAKER_01:

For me, yeah. All those those bag of bones weigh quite a bit.

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Um what was your heaviest 290?

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293.

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Thanks to my mom.

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Mm-hmm. It was all her fault. It was all her fault.

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You didn't have anything to do with it. She was in charge of you.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. She did, yeah, she was an enabler. And I've forgiven her. Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

She was just trying to fatten you up for a Christmas stew. My mom is the witch from Hansel and Groundall.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02:

Did you start using the chicken bone to trick?

SPEAKER_01:

She's like, Rob, I know your feet hurt. This pot, this warm pot of water.

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Skin in this warm pot.

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It's just my feet, Judy, I'll just dangle over the side. No, no nonsense.

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There's a whole box of screen.

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Remember what you said, it's all upstream. You gotta get it all.

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You have to soak it all. Start it off at a really low temperature.

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Mm-hmm. She's like, hey, wear this where this frog suit. It's like you like Super Mario Bros. 2?

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What was my dad doing?

SPEAKER_01:

Um he was uh helping you get in? I I can't say.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, okay, probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Let's say he was role-playing.

SPEAKER_02:

Was he wearing a raccoon suit?

SPEAKER_01:

He was running around like this everywhere. Trying to fly. He got seriously injured.

SPEAKER_02:

What's the music for that?

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, jeez. Yeah. I'm not gonna pull that up. Um he didn't have a soundtrack with him, though. It's kind of a low budget ordeal. Or they were trying to cook. While your mom was trying to eat me. Yeah. Weird. Anyways. Uh yeah, so you know, I would I would say, yeah, don't just jump straight to minimalist stuff. That's you you should really. I mean, I'm honestly probably going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02:

There's a lot of talk about Rob's feet in the community that we live in.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, now when oh yeah, so when I wear Skinner's now, so anytime we if you want to if you want to get attention, I swear a neck tattoo gets less attention than Skinner's.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, well, because it looks like you're wearing socks.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, like honey. So I'd go into a store and like a lady would stop and she'd be like, Honey, you forgot your socks or your shoes. I'd be like, well, man, these are uh these are socks.

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Special kind of shoes.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they're technically shoes.

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I'm accepting.

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I'm not in trouble at all. Yeah. I so and then, you know, I I'd I'd wear them to work and stuff too. I'm I really don't have a whole lot of shame. And of course, people just like some people some people really don't like them.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, well, those are the people like our daughter who doesn't like feet, probably. That would be too much of your outline of your feet.

SPEAKER_01:

They kind of look like the uh they sort of look like the n uh ninja shoes. I can't remember what their actual name, but to togis, tojis or something like that.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean they to me I I still maintain that wrestling shoes might be a more uh socially acceptable.

SPEAKER_01:

They just get they get destroyed. These actually last a little bit. They're supposed to have like a couple hundred miles worth of.

SPEAKER_02:

And you've tried chucks and vans. You bought a pair of vibrums, but you sent them back.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, they just couldn't I couldn't even get them foot right.

SPEAKER_02:

And so so none of like traditional flat soled shoes like those are have worked for you either. No. Part of that is like your foot is kind of wide, but that's gapy.

SPEAKER_01:

Again, I like feeling like I like the purchase. Like I like the form fitting. That's really what it is for me. I like the form-fitting nature of it. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. It's cool.

SPEAKER_02:

So yeah. So lose weight, strengthen your ankles.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, ankles, uh, foam, any kind of self- self-myofascial release, SMR stuff, lacrosseballs, look up like I I'm sure there's a million folks out here now, but back in the day when I was starting, I watched like every Kelly Starret and SMR Bachmeyer uh self-myofascial release.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh. So it's not like ASMR. Can you imagine though, if we put a microphone near your skin while it was rolling on the phone?

SPEAKER_01:

I'd be like, I'd just squish melted butter with them or something. That's somebody's rule 36 of the internet right there.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know what that means either. See how good I am with a.

SPEAKER_01:

If it exists, if it exists, it's somebody's F-word, as you put it. That's rule, I think it's 36.

SPEAKER_02:

The F-word in question is not a bad word.

SPEAKER_01:

No, it's not. Fetish.

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Right.

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Yeah.

unknown:

Sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

Gut out with it. Okay. Traveling Wilberries. Good to handle with that.

SPEAKER_02:

At this concert. Thanks for listening to me talking about my feet. I brought it up because you were wearing, I thought you weren't wearing any shoes to the concert. I was concerned about a broken beer beer bottle on your foot or something. And you're like, no, no, these are sock shoes.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I do think glass might penetrate. I know poisonous animals, they have a little bit.

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A little bit of like if a poisonous animal had a glass tooth.

SPEAKER_01:

I'd be screwed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Alright, traveling wheelberries.

SPEAKER_01:

It's on the website. So traveling wheelberries.

SPEAKER_02:

Time to go into the concert. Leave the sock shoe conversation behind.

SPEAKER_01:

We got 14 minutes to riff on the wheelberries.

unknown:

Sh.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I don't think I got 14 minutes of wheelberries riffing at me, but. I'm pretty sure I do. Okay, let's give it a shot.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I love, I love them. They're, I think they're like I think they're just like the perfect group.

SPEAKER_02:

So so they're like one of the only supergroups that actually worked.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

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And that was attributed to Like like critically so.

SPEAKER_01:

And had a follow-up album. Like, yeah, if you all the time.

SPEAKER_02:

Part of it was also because they just wanted to get together and make music and there wasn't very little ego.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, there was no like that was even like a I think that was a kind of a policy they set ahead of time. Like they were talking to like Dylan, and they're like, listen, we really know how they got assembled? Yeah, more or less. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_02:

So you can tell me if I'm if my best friend Chad Chad.

SPEAKER_01:

Chad.

SPEAKER_02:

Chad. Steered me wrong. Uh Roy Orbison wanted to just he just invited people over to play on something. Yeah. Turned in. No?

SPEAKER_01:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, Chad lied. I have to check it. I've got to look what you told me to make sure.

SPEAKER_01:

You have the right setting, you they have the wrong role player.

SPEAKER_03:

Hmm.

SPEAKER_01:

Although Orbison was part of the initial. I think he was like third. I think he was like the third member. There's a lot of details that I'll probably get wrong, and I don't really know that well.

SPEAKER_02:

George Harrison.

SPEAKER_01:

George Harrison. So Harrison and Jeff Lynn. Jeff Lynn's from ELO.

SPEAKER_02:

What does he what did he do in ELO?

SPEAKER_01:

Produced guitar, bass, vocals. I mean, so he was with Roy Wood. Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02:

How many people were in ELO?

unknown:

Oh crap.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know the answer.

SPEAKER_02:

A lot or like one?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't actually know. I don't know if they were like a. So like originally, it was, I don't know how many albums, but I know it was Roy Wood who went on to do uh the move. Uh like uh in the UK. He was in Wizard and Real. So early ELO stuff is I love it. I I I love I love seven to twelve members. I didn't get okay. So I think they were like a maybe like a Steely Dan Asia era kind of where they had like session guys coming in. That's what I'm assuming because they have so many instruments going on sometimes, and the production value is insane.

SPEAKER_02:

I think a lot of about 20 separate people in and out over the years.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh wow. Okay. So Jeff Lynn is an awesome producer. He was producing Harrison's album, Cloud Nine. And they wanted to, I'm skipping a lot of stuff, but they wanted to do a B side. Like some record company for the UK, like the album had already been out. I don't know if it was the UK, but some there was somebody asked him, they said, hey, we gotta have a B side for the release in this place, this country or whatever. So Harrison and Lynn were riffing on like hey, it'd be cool if we had some other folks in this. If I if I would if I could pick Jeff Lynn said I would pick Roy Roberson to collaborate, because he's like a I guess Roy Roberson was like his hero growing up. And Harrison said Harrison said he would choose Dylan. Anyways, I think that happened before the whole B-side thing. They were just having to be talking about it. And so they were gonna do this album. Sorry, they're gonna do this B side, and they had, I think, handled with care, they had it somewhat maybe shaped it. And they were out to dinner with Roy Orbison, and and and Harrison was like, We should do you want to be on this? So or at least you want to come check it out, and so he was in. And then and then there's multiple stories of how it might have happened, but they both knew Tom Petty. They went on tour with him uh with the Heartbreakers, and so they kind of became friends. And Harrison, I think, needed to pick up a guitar at Tom Petty's house. And while they were there, Tom Petty was they were like, hey, you want to be on this? So he was in.

SPEAKER_02:

Was that a pun? Um because it was a B side.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm not that quick. I'm racking my brain here. I can't I can't keep up with this. You know what, uh you know what B's aren't on? My skinners. Oh, they can be on them all they want.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, bee.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, so they went to uh so they need a place to record. They they both knew Dylan. Harrison, I think, knew him the best.

SPEAKER_02:

Dwyan.

SPEAKER_01:

Dwyan. Dwyan. Dwyland Sanders. They both knew Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan had a recording studio in his garage. So they they all hooked up, decided, hey, let's make this kind of yeah, we're gonna like these kind of uh kind of like our podcast where they don't, I don't think they were like really role-playing, but they were like and and and the writing credits on everything is just the traveling wheelbury's. They don't even have their names on the album, I don't think.

SPEAKER_02:

It's amazing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So they did Handle with Care. The record studio or whoever asked for it was like, this is too good to just be on a B side of a Harrison album. Not that, I mean, Cloud9's actually pretty good, but anyways, but this needs to be its own thing. So then they did uh stupid. That's fine.

SPEAKER_02:

We're fine.

SPEAKER_01:

Someone here. Yeah. Come in. Come in.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, it's is it Kettie Wells?

SPEAKER_01:

No, it is Dorsey. Oh, come here. Glad to see you back on your feet there. Oh, who's up there on you? What the jousting stick of some kind? No, it's it's George Harrison.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh my gosh, is he wearing greaves?

SPEAKER_01:

George Harrison's my favorite, uh no, but he's wearing spats.

SPEAKER_02:

The the ju Jitsi kind of.

SPEAKER_01:

I think Harrison's my favorite beetle.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't have a fair beetle.

SPEAKER_01:

I I'm I I'm pretty firm on Harrison. As far as solo stuff, I just like I love his guitar playing. Yeah. Okay, well. Yeah, yeah. All All Things Must Pass. It's a great album. Um Is that what All Things Must Pass? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_02:

I know very little.

SPEAKER_01:

Anyways, he's a great slide guitar great slide guitar player. He plays slide on this. I do not. I'm just going to slide. Get by with a serviceable solo of some kind. It's not a super difficult solo, although I haven't played slide. It's to play it like him, it probably is. He makes it look easy. Everybody who's good at slide guitar makes it look easy. Have you ever tried playing?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I I uh one of my first jobs there was like a couple different slides laying around. I didn't even know what it was, but then I could you do it? No, it sounded like clunky and like something like that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I sucked so bad it was like playing guitar for the first time.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And I put it down.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean you gotta know where you're going.

SPEAKER_01:

And then like knocked it off. I mean, I got I tr I bought one, I put I tried it once, sucked miserably, put it down, broke it, and I haven't got things I made out of glass.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, the ones I was using were acrylic.

SPEAKER_01:

I I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna try to learn the slide. I think here's what I think on the slide.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

I think that it could be a pretty sick auto tuner, like a folk auto tune. Because you could play like you know how like George Benson plays, or like one of those old like Delta Blues players, slide players, they sing with what they're playing. Yeah. Like if you did that, even if your voice sucked, it'd sound awesome.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So, but that's that's another skill that's still his idea, guys. Yeah, I'm sure somebody's already do. I mean, I've I've just listed people who already do it, but but no, but Benson doesn't really play a slide. Well, I'm sure he can, but I I'm not familiar with that work. But anyway. No. I would kill to see a George Benson show.

SPEAKER_02:

Aww. If he ever comes within Would you kill like Kitty Balls, for example?

SPEAKER_01:

No. That's 2012, I say way too soon.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh sorry. It was just 15 years ago.

SPEAKER_01:

Now, if we're talking like 74.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, do we know anyone who died in 74?

SPEAKER_01:

Benson in 74, what was he doing? Is that like the Briezen album era?

SPEAKER_02:

Honey, you know so much more than I do.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't even know. I don't know. That's I for as much as I love that album.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I love George.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh. Yeah, I think those shoes will get by.

SPEAKER_02:

No, no, no. Just the memory that you have for that kind of stuff. Yeah, the memory you have for things that I might consider more immediately important. None existent.

SPEAKER_01:

Weird.

SPEAKER_02:

I think it has a lot to do with what you care about.

SPEAKER_01:

I think maybe George Prince might be more important than things you care about. Is that what you're saying? Like what time?

SPEAKER_02:

Like what time to pick somebody up from a soccer game? That kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01:

It's fine. It's totally fine.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm just kidding, I love you. I'm gonna have them. We're married. Skylar.

SPEAKER_01:

Janet Wayne Skylar, true love.

SPEAKER_02:

A lot of uh Sketch Comedy featured on our weird.

SPEAKER_01:

What else would you call it?

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know. Drama?

SPEAKER_01:

It's well, maybe it's not sketch comedy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

I definitely to the Tim uh Robinson.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, Tim Heidegger?

SPEAKER_02:

No, no, no. The I think you should leave is definitely sketch comedy.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

But it is the uh awesome show, great job.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, yeah, there's sketches.

SPEAKER_02:

I guess you're right.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Although, what did we just reference? Yeah, Jane and Wayne's crowd, but then they were also on um Brules Rules. For your health, uh For your health, yeah. Yeah, and and and they were on time to go to the mayor. They started on that.

SPEAKER_02:

That's where they got their start. I'm pretty sure as a scene.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So Roy Arverson is a stud. He died. This is a the worst. This wasn't supposed to be a Wilburries um documentary, so but Handle with anyways.

SPEAKER_02:

And it's yeah, it definitely isn't one.

SPEAKER_01:

I love that album. I've listened to it a million times. My my favorite song is Handle with Cares. I've always I mean it's they're it's a excellent tin. Their music is just so listenable.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, for sure. It's very singable and and memorable and all of it is just it's a definite no-skip album.

SPEAKER_01:

If you like, if you like rock at all, if you like Tom Petty or or Royal, basically if you like any of the guys we mentioned, then you'll like it.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean I don't love Bob Dylan, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I mean I get it.

SPEAKER_02:

It has a lot of value. There are some things about it. Dylan for sure, but like his singing. Yeah, I mean I know there's a several camps out there on Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm definitely in the one that's like the voice is no matter how you feel about Bob Dylan singing, his and I understand, but his songwriting is I mean, he's like Smokey Robinson, you know, like level of just hit hitmaker after hit, yeah, Stevie Warner. Um so yeah, but well Dylan Dylan's got some cool you should you might like Blood on the Tracks if you're that was uh that's one album that I used to love in high school. Um I still do, but anyways. So it's a good Dylan album for people who really want to hear Dylan at his finest, I would say. Because he was a better singer back then.

SPEAKER_02:

80 holy smoke. Good for him.

SPEAKER_01:

Jewish, maybe 80. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02:

Does he still perform?

SPEAKER_01:

I think he does.

SPEAKER_02:

See?

SPEAKER_01:

At least he did recently.

SPEAKER_02:

Back to our back to our we had a discussion once about music keeps you alive. I mean, I know music therapists are very, very, very partial.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, unless you live like half a musician's deal, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, that's true. If you if you make it through the drugs and alcohol stage or you never enter it. I mean, we've been to see.

SPEAKER_01:

And you stay away from helicopters and planes and okay, never mind. Yeah. Never mind. Don't even get into you know hip-hop violence.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh yeah. Forget it. But anyway, the point was we've seen a lot of old musicians still performing at the at top level.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what I wish they did? Even though the timeline doesn't quite match up. I wish Nate Dog was on their second album. I wish they replaced Roy Orbison with the other.

SPEAKER_02:

Give me like a lyric of a Nate Dog song so I can remember.

SPEAKER_01:

Um okay. Well, you know the song I did for karaoke? Oh no. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. Or Annie Mae or like regulate. Just hit the East Side, I don't know, it would be sick.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my.

SPEAKER_01:

He would have been sick on there. But he was in 213 at the time with a I guess a hindsight supergroup. Snoop Dogg, Warren G, and him.

SPEAKER_02:

Nate Dog?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that was like 19 well, 88, maybe not even. They were like what like ninety maybe. Anyways.

SPEAKER_02:

What was the middle dog called?

SPEAKER_01:

So yeah. Warren G.

SPEAKER_02:

Worn G Dog.

SPEAKER_01:

Warren G Dog.

SPEAKER_02:

Snoop Dog.

SPEAKER_01:

They're kind of like the Willberries. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Warren G Dog, Snoop Dogg Dog. Doggy Dog, if you will. And then Nate Dog.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, see? What's Warren G's last name? Gog. German Shepherd.

SPEAKER_01:

Gog. German G for German Shepherd. So stupid. I would uh I would listen. I could listen to Roy Everson sing anything. I could listen to Nate Dog sing anything. I could listen to Harrison play anything on guitar. He's just not that fancy, but he's just a great, he's one of those like Gilmore or Knoffler or Did they all just switch around on stuff? Uh yeah, well, so I think so. Jim Jim Kiltner was the guy drumming. And he he was like a session legend. He played a lot with Dylan and he did, he was on, well, speaking of Steely Dan, he was on uh Asia. He played on you know the song Josie? I don't know. When Josie comes home, it's alright.

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

You know, I don't watch really dangerous.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, Larry Carleton played it when we went and saw him.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm so sorry, everybody.

SPEAKER_01:

When we saw Larry Carleton, he played Josie. Even though I don't think he's even on that song, but maybe he is. I don't know. Anyways, he played good Charlemagne, too.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a song we probably won't ever cover. I it's really a big deal to nail the solo there. That's why, remember we talked about that?

SPEAKER_02:

And you don't think that I can hang him with my open chords on guitar?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I just don't think I can play Larry Carlton's kid Charlemagne on an acoustic.

SPEAKER_02:

Or it at all. 66 key keyboard for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe that maybe that'll be like the 600 episode will be big enough by then that he'll just show up.

SPEAKER_02:

He'll just do it for us.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

But we want to play music together.

SPEAKER_01:

It's true.

SPEAKER_02:

Who are we waiting on to come?

SPEAKER_01:

Sorry, Larry Carlton. There's no room in our closet for you.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_01:

They'll tell you what though. When you die, we'll have you up on your body up there.

SPEAKER_02:

In memoriam.

SPEAKER_01:

What kind of animal do you want to be riding on?

SPEAKER_02:

Dorsey?

SPEAKER_01:

But Dorsey. Harrison's on the Dorsey. Orbison's on a Dorsey. There are too many Dorseys up there. How about uh I think Larry Carleton could be on a uh Hmm.

SPEAKER_02:

Could he ride it on a dolphin?

SPEAKER_01:

That'd be sweet.

SPEAKER_02:

Like in a tank.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. There's a dolphin dead too.

SPEAKER_02:

Is it a Dorsey dead?

SPEAKER_01:

Do you even know where to get a dead dolphin? I know where to get a dead one.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, every Seaworld. Pretty sure you can get scoops and dead dolphins.

SPEAKER_01:

Until they live through their expected life expectancy. That's sad. Um stop going to Seaworld. You also probably get some uh pick some trainers up while you're there too. Oh my gosh. That's not nice.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, we have dead bodies. Rob, what's the bigger?

SPEAKER_01:

You have been working in hospice for too long.

SPEAKER_02:

I know. I'm a broken monster. I know.

SPEAKER_01:

It's your fault. I'm not the one saying any of this at all. I keep trying to talk you out of it.

SPEAKER_02:

I know. Okay, we're gonna run out of time, so we should switch our battery.

SPEAKER_01:

We should switch our battery.

SPEAKER_02:

Look up the lyrics.

SPEAKER_01:

I wanna one of these days I want to talk about like how we're playing and the gear we have and stuff. We just don't have time for that.

SPEAKER_02:

What are we gonna share?

SPEAKER_01:

We have two guitars.

SPEAKER_02:

Two guitars.

SPEAKER_01:

And we none of us none of us know what we're doing in terms of sound. Sound. These are all one-take shots.

SPEAKER_02:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Us at our rawest.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's just fun.

SPEAKER_02:

And it's kind of like how the Will Berries get started.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, minus, you know, the$800 million of sales beforehand, you know, between all of them, something like that. I looked up, I I did some math to see like how much the collectively what all their bodies have work, and it's like close to a billion dollars. I thought you were saying. Probably more now, with all the oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

You say quarter billion?

SPEAKER_01:

No, like probably more than a billion.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. That's gross. Good for them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Probably the most successful super group, as you said, other than, of course, West Side Connection.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Can a gang, can a gang, can be better than that. One of these days I'm gonna do a hip-hop cover. I think I'm gonna do uh I've been working on an acoustic version of I Am Mad at You.

unknown:

I need you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, nothing but lovely. I need to sing the Danny Boy hook.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, I gotta listen to it. Oh Danny. Isn't that?

SPEAKER_01:

That's the one. Although Tupac was a, he probably I bet he he was a theater kid before he went G. He was uh I bet he sang some day. A little bit. Harvey Bunny Harvey.

SPEAKER_02:

I like to call it Dr. Bunny.

SPEAKER_01:

Dr. Bunny. Even though he was I was the doctor, I was Dr. Lyman Sanderson.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow. I was a theater kid. And a theater adult. But those days we were.

SPEAKER_01:

And we're raising a theater kid.

SPEAKER_03:

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02:

I wish we were raising two theater kids, but maybe someday. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe a girl will talk him into it.

SPEAKER_02:

I doubt it. He's very difficult to talk into.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe theater will get cool and then he'll do it. He's playing sex, I don't want to push it.

SPEAKER_02:

No, I know. He told me today he was really glad we didn't make him be in choir. We're talking about our son.

SPEAKER_01:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Even though he's got has a good voice.

SPEAKER_02:

I know. Any choir director would kill to get their hands on him.

SPEAKER_01:

Just to have a boy who could half carry a tune.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean they've got some decent ones in his little school.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. It's just uh at least in our part of the world, it's a lot more, a lot more girls.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But whatever.

SPEAKER_02:

Not a lot of middle school boys in the choir.

SPEAKER_01:

No.

unknown:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

Alright, let's switch batteries.

SPEAKER_01:

Alright, here we go. So hey, thanks for tuning in. Uh check out the YouTube channel. Probably. Let's try. I think we just gotta do it once. I think only one of us does.

SPEAKER_02:

No. Are you still recording?